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Indostan, India

I am *not* trying to revive the 'Dominion of Hindustan' Topic Thread.

I am simply putting forward that we should mention other names like 'India' , 'Indostan' in the Name Section of the Mughal Empire.

Source : Countless maps from 17–18th century, can send if required. WhatAGreatWikiTuber (talk) 12:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maps are not reliable sources. You can add names that are well sourced, preferably with the name explicitly stated as an alternative name (e.g., "the Mughal empire was called xxx by yyy"). Bear in mind that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information (WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE). RegentsPark (comment) 15:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's nonsense of course. Gold standards are not excuses for omitting entirely relevant information and context that our readers need. The maps are reliable sources, particularly official ones of wide circulation. They just have to be used appropriately and the correct WP:CONTEXTMATTERS. The Mughal Empire being called "India" in certain periods falls under WP:BLUE, "Hindustan" likewise. "Indostan" is probably uncommon enough that it's not worth including here per WP:UNDUE/WP:NOTABILITY—not WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE, which has to do with people mistakenly dumping entire works that belong at Wikisource or that are still under copyright and is irrelevant here—now that we can use Wikidata entries to park the full laundry lists of alternative names and spellings like "Hindoostan". (If it's challenged there but accurate, it may become necessary to source it here in an appropriate footnote or similar treatment.) — LlywelynII 08:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other capitals

Speaking of covering more ground, either this article or one split off and linked from here needs to handle the full list of capitals, to the extent it's known. I get that we have the four major ones, but if it was a regular thing to have additional capitals at times, we should start compiling that information somewhere WP:READERS can get to it. I've got 17th century explorers talking about Danapur as the metropolis of the country and no idea from this article whether that's accurate, a mistake on their part for Agra, a mistake on our part where the capital was within modern Agra but not actually in the Agra of the period, or something else. Yes, the full list of capitals notable and not "indiscriminate", although it might be WP:UNDUE bloat here in the main article once the list gets long enough. — LlywelynII 08:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In other news, this excellent Quora response has some issues with our not-very-well-sourced claim that Kabul was a regular summer capital for an extended period. — LlywelynII 10:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The whole notion of a capital city for the empire (pre-say 1710) is probably mistaken. As with many states in this and earlier periods, the "capital" was where the monarch & his rather small bunch of administrators happened to be. Only as the state apparatus grew, and could not trail after the monarch everywhere, does the concept becomes useful. Johnbod (talk) 15:08, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see we have Itinerant court - rather weak on Asia. Johnbod (talk) 15:12, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"uplands of the Deccan Plateau"

The lead says that the empire stretched south to the "uplands of the Deccan Plateau", yet this is contradictory to the map, which puts the southern boundary much further south than the limits of the Deccan, at the same latitude as Nagapattinam. The source used for the claim [1] is specifically talking about the territory held under Akbar rather than the "peak" (i.e. ~1700, Aurangzeb) described in the lead. What should the lead say the southern boundary was? Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 02:16, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RegentsPark @PadFoot2008 thoughts? I have not been able to find any sources describing the boundaries of the empire under Aurangzeb. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 08:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Flemmish Nietzsche, perhaps we can rephrase it to to say:

lower reaches of the Deccan peninsula in South India.

instead of:

uplands of the Deccan plateau in South India.

PadFoot (talk) 11:05, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flag

Flags of the Mughal Empire ,it shows multiple historical paintings from Mughal era with flags being represented,aren't these painting enough source for flags? JingJongPascal (talk) 17:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately not. Paintings capture events at a moment in time and we have no idea what the significance of a particular flag in a painting was or even if it was something imagined by the painter rather than actually used as a representative flag. What we need is a reliable source from a historian that states, unequivocally, that a particular flag was the representative flag of a ruler, state, or dynasty. RegentsPark (comment) 00:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can search the archives of this talk page to see why a flag is not displayed. Remsense ‥ 论 00:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Maps

I have added another map with switcher

The peak extent will still be the default one tho JingJongPascal (talk) 18:21, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know you didn't realize since you're on mobile, but your edit totally broke the article display on desktop. I also do not think two maps are necessary. Consider asking first next time. Remsense ‥ 论 00:37, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added multiple Maps as Ottoman Empire

Also had multiple depicting their change in territories, I didn't realise the article broke on desktop JingJongPascal (talk) 07:16, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]