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Lop-sided

Almost half of this article concerns events in November 2003. This is not going to date well. -Rollo

Good point, however it does not justify removing information. When you have time, perhaps you would like to do some research in to his further history? I think many sources will be in languages other than English, however. --Pratyeka 01:46, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It needs a lot more work on his earlier career - there is stuff out there in English. I will add to if I have time but nothing should be deleted. Secretlondon 09:54, Nov 25, 2003 (UTC)

True. Of course, the problem with this idea is that you/we probably won't have time, and by next week everyone will have forgotten about Shevardnadze. The encyclopedia article will remain lop-sided. At least this is partially corrected by the most recent revision, which changes his principal significance to Soviet foreign minister from Georgian president.

Date of joining CP

There is a small conflict: [1] states that he joined the Communist Party in 1948; here we have 1946. [2] seems to suggest he began party activity in '46 but actually joined the CPSU in '48. --Sam

The BBC profile I linked also quotes 1946. -- Sam

Definitely 1946, according to his official CPSU biography from the mid-1980s. -- ChrisO

Rewritten

I've rewritten the article to fix a few problems and add a lot more to the Soviet period. -- ChrisO 23:40, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thank you - its a lot better and utterly unrecognisable from my little stub of a month ago! Secretlondon 23:41, Nov 29, 2003 (UTC)

Excellent work. I defer to your clearly superior knowledge concerning what colour 'Fox' he was. Rollo 23:58, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Soros

Just wondering what source the interesting little Soros snippet came from? Pratyeka 15:31, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It's been quite widely reported, but the best article I found on the subject was in the Toronto Globe & Mail - see http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031126.wxsoros1126/BNStory/Front/ . -- ChrisO 09:28, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I've added this as a reference. Pratyeka 00:45, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Linked articles

Wikipedians may be interested to know that I've expanded the linked stub articles on Nino Burdzhanadze (the current acting president), Mikhail Saakashvili (the likely next president) and Ajaria (the separatist province within Georgia). Comments welcomed, as always. -- ChrisO 22:42, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Recent edits

Removed NPOV and misspelt additions by Levzur (e.g. "Shevardnadze leaded the military-criminal coup d'etat in Georgia", "President Gamsakhurdia was assassined by the supporters of Shevardnadze's regime") as well as deleted links to extant pages. A few of his changes were useful in highlighted deficiencies in the original version, so I've retained or modified those. Hopefully this won't turn into a partisan editing war but I suggest that people keep an eye on the article and a finger poised on the rollback button. -- ChrisO 12:15, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

New material

Some new material here [3] .. if someone has time, possibly a worthwhile addition. --prat 23:38, 2004 Feb 21 (UTC)

Image

Is there any reason why Image:Schewardnadse clinton.jpg is not being used in this aritcle?

Acegikmo1 17:05, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

George Bush I

I didn't feel comfortable with the reference to "George Bush I", even though it linked to G.H.W. Bush's page. They don't have the same middle name (so they're not Jr. and Sr.), and "the first" is not customary usage either now, or between John Adams and John Quincy Adams. Johndodd 16:27, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction?

"Shevardnadze's political career was filled with contradictions.... He built his reputation on fighting political corruption, but came to be seen as using corrupt methods to shore up his own position."

Doesn't that just make him a hypocrite? 130.220.79.178 (talk) 05:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, unfortunetly that would sound POV, partisan and angry even if true. Lususromulus (talk) 16:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He was not corrupt. He just never was able fight against corruption. Most of the georigan politicians were either self acting or just never under his control, that's why he later decided to keep the chaos going on. His most effective branch was the military, which also was lead by corrupt officers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.21.247.128 (talk) 13:37, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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